EVE Search - GMs - Please weigh in on the boomerang maneuver. Exploit (y/n)?

All Channels

Crime and Punishment

GMs - Please weigh in on the boomerang maneuver. Exploit (y/n)?

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 4 post(s)
Red Frog Rufen Red Frog Freight Red-Frog 26	Posted - 2012.03.30 10:34:00 - [1] - Quote Hello. We, at Red Frog Freight, lost a freighter to that tactics. Although a very nice tactics, it's one we feel is an exploit. The "evading concord" alone might not be one, but the use of it while another ship bumping the freighter without any consequence probably is. For years, we've worked knowing that we could get ganked, and that's fair. It usually take between 12 and 15 ship to take a freighter down, so we based our max collateral on that. (1b) But, losing a freighter to 1 ship? We feel that this is not WAI. It would be fine if we could retaliate, but since freighter can't fit a webber, there's no way we can defend ourselves. As you could imagine, if this spread, there wont be many freighter left to move stuff around. Red Frog (and probably Push too) would just stop hauling, and I'm pretty sure no one wants to use industrial to move stuff around either. There's absolutely no way to evade such tactics if done by pros. So please, GMs, tell us where you stand. If you allow this, fine, we'll probably close up shop. If you don't, please reimburse all the lost freighters.
Red Frog Rufen Red Frog Freight Red-Frog 27	Posted - 2012.03.30 16:38:00 - [2] - Quote there's a difference between emergent behavior and exploiting. the line is thin, but in the end it's the owner of the game that has the final word on that. we would have adapted to a different ruling, a lot of our pilot might have stoped and our price rised, but we would have accepted or left. if you don't agree with a game ruling, just stop playing the game, money is your only power, as we've seen last year!
Red Frog Rufen Red Frog Freight Red-Frog 27	Posted - 2012.03.30 16:39:00 - [3] - Quote Ammzi wrote: So that means if you stay on grid it's perfectly legal. yes but you can't warp to evade concord.
Red Frog Rufen Red Frog Freight Red-Frog 27	Posted - 2012.03.30 18:26:00 - [4] - Quote yeah, this game wrap in bubble everything in high sec., because : - you can't gank a freighter anymore.. oh wait! - you can't kill indus/miners anymore.. oh wait! - you can't wardec a corp anymore.. oh wait they're fixing that! numbers of pilot online.are back to pre-incarna, my guess it's the game is pretty healthy.
Red Frog Rufen Red Frog Freight Red-Frog 27	Posted - 2012.03.30 21:23:00 - [5] - Quote Katarina Reid wrote: That is bs tbh. As long as in die in the end there is no exploit. Concords job is to kill u in the end if u warp and kill others its ok as long as u die in the end. if u want to change concords job thats up to up. Dont pretend it was its job all along and we are doing something out of the rules. Can we target and kill other targets on same grid with no warping? Is concords job now to makesure u stay in the same place and only kill 1 target per gank. Im sure i heard concords job was to kill your ship if u gank to provide consequences not to makesure u die on grid or before u kill someone else. btw, the exploit was also using another ship, without consequence, to bump the freighter.
Red Frog Rufen Red Frog Freight Red-Frog 27	Posted - 2012.03.31 14:46:00 - [6] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: Only one way to deal with carebears. Don't waste your breath arguing with them like I end up doing. Exterminate them, drive them out of EVE - by any means possible. you realise that it is the carebears that keep this game online?
Red Frog Rufen Red Frog Freight Red-Frog 27	Posted - 2012.03.31 15:36:00 - [7] - Quote that too.
Red Frog Rufen Red Frog Freight Red-Frog 27	Posted - 2012.04.05 17:22:00 - [8] - Quote reading the last page, most people forget one thing: freighter pilots don't want ganking to stop, we live with that pretty confortably, even tho it's now easier with tornado to gank us. the problem here is the bumping of the freighter. that bumping ship gets no GCC, and prevent us from doing anything. that is part of the exploit. feel free to evade as long as you want after destroying a ship, no one care, but allowing this while another ship bump you without consequence is not a leveled playing field.
Red Frog Rufen Red Frog Freight Red-Frog 28	Posted - 2012.04.06 01:12:00 - [9] - Quote kiki mo wrote: [quote=jimmyjam] So, IMHO, this was going to get nerfed or declared an exploit anyway...the forum post wasn't the impetus that 'caused' it. CCP is on a kick to remove criminal activity from hisec due to the flawed data of 'why' people unsub...try it, you'll see what I mean with the preset 'reasons'. So, to lessen the percentage of people who unsub because of the preset reasons in the accounts section, they're 'fixing' the game so those reasons won't exist anymore (they think then the people will stay in the game). Sort of like thinking that hospitals are full of sick people, so in order to be healthy you should avoid hospitals. New Eden is a better place because of flawed logic. I don't think they want to remove high-sec criminality. if we were to transport anything of value in high-sec without risking it, then the market would all fall over, since it wouldn't mean anything to haul from one place to the other. I don't think there's a lot of pilot that want that either. You just need to explain some market base knowledge to them and they will agree piracy is good, WHEN DONE RIGHT.
Red Frog Rufen Red Frog Freight Red-Frog 28	Posted - 2012.04.06 11:36:00 - [10] - Quote jimmyjam wrote: I love piracy as much as the next guy iam just saying i would have loved if the boomerang would have stayed underground and really effed someone over i would have loved to see a huge rant from a care bear. it would have stayed underground if the tactics didn't involved freighters/orca. The killmail were too obvious.
Red Frog Rufen Red Frog Freight Red-Frog 30	Posted - 2012.04.07 05:19:00 - [11] - Quote FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: Red Frog Rufen wrote: the problem here is the bumping of the freighter. that bumping ship gets no GCC, and prevent us from doing anything. that is part of the exploit. feel free to evade as long as you want after destroying a ship, no one care, but allowing this while another ship bump you without consequence is not a leveled playing field. Good luck finding a way to prevent people from bumping you. Imagine an Eve where bumping into someone allows them to shoot at you. TEARS would love it. Never mind can flipping, just cloak up in the path of the missioners and wait for them to bump you. there's a easy to to prevent bumping. no collision! there's already enough non-sense in the physic of this game.. it's not like other games are not like that already anyway. but I disgress, that's not what I wanted to say...

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.